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April 2009

KH Wiki Banners (2009.04.18)

SUMMARY : This discussion came about when I posted a message on the Manual of Style talk page about a header at the top (or else we'd still continue reading dreary black-and-white text !). This idea applies for all pages bearing the prefix "Kingdom Hearts Wiki:" - yes, the project pages. Doc rocco was the first to take a look at this idea and he talked it out with me.

Doc rocco : Hey! I made some banners, which I thought I'd showcase. Opinions would be very much appreciated. ^_^

I have no idea what you were thinking of, but that's my idea. Of course, you could use the same banner for each page, or certain people could have the PSDs/PNGs and add text for specific pages. Anyway, I'll await your critique. ^_^

TroisNyxEtienne : OMG... they're cute ! Ya know, I could draw out a few ideas from these. I don't know what the width of this page is, so I'll try to make it "wider wide." Let's see...

Doc rocco : Awesome. :D I can't wait to see them.

As for page width, it'll be whatever the widest image is. =\ I resized my window and managed to make it very small before a scroll bar appeared. xD But not much wider than 600px, I'd say. Then we're delving into the realm of obtrusive banners with large file sizes. :\

TroisNyxEtienne : They were originally 960 pixels in width (the width of a Powerpoint slide).

Here they are :

I hope it's wide enough..... Or maybe we'll have to make it even slimmer.

Doc rocco : Ooooh, pretty! They're great, man. You are a PowerPoint pro, fo' sho'! They'd look even better as PNGs! :D

I think your whole text thing is better. I should remodel mine so that you can incorporate the page name, but that's not to difficult. Gogo PSDs!

TroisNyxEtienne : Thanks. ^_^ I'm not sure how to incorporate the page name into that one, though : It's just something which goes like [Kingdom Hearts Wiki:], which I inserted into the image (WordArt, of course)... and that's it. I wonder if we could like, make a table template with that background, and at a certain column span, insert the page name.

Maybe BebopKate, ILHI, Azul or Yuan might be able to help us.

Doc rocco : Yeah, that's a brilliant idea! If we could manage that, I think we'd be set! I have no idea what'd be involved, though. My wiki markup isn't very advanced. Beyond tables, infoboxes, collapsable boxes, etc., I'm pretty limited. I'll stay in the graphics department for now. ^^;

Summer Group revised. I redid my favourite out of the three using you [Kingdom Hearts Wiki:] thing. I must say, it looks a lot better now. Yay for inspiration!

I think these could really spruce up the project pages. Heck! We could even make smaller banners to head the various sections if we wanted to make it more interesting!

TroisNyxEtienne : We all love colours, don't we... ^_^ This talk page should be turned into a mensa !

Doc rocco : Colours are awesome. :D And you're so right. If not this page, a page somewhere! This could be an epic discussion.

TroisNyxEtienne : I think I'll set up one pretty soon (but it won't be in use today, because I'll be going to sleep in 9 minutes) - I'll transfer this discussion there.

Doc rocco : Excellent. Just make sure you link me once you've done it! ^_^

That sounds like a good idea, actually. I really do need to sleep as I've an early morning. Well, early for me. xD Night!

TroisNyxEtienne : G'night !

(TNE : And that's how the Mensa came into existence.)

Okay, I managed to get text to overlay on an image, and it's adjustable! We could make a template, even! It's on display in my Sandbox. I think though, we may need to get rid of the square brackets. Also, I've done a quick explanation on it. You can look at the code and see if there's a better way, too. Doc rocco 03:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure. I've just taken a look. Wonderful, I say ! I wish everyone else could join us here. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 03:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Molto bene! The banners are very nice. We have 15+ KHWiki: type pages, who says we only need one? -Azul81677 03:50, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Merci Azul. To date we have five, but we'tre thinking of a way to remove the square brackets. Click on the Photobucket links above. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 03:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, if we're to use all the banners, it wouldn't be that hard to change the text in the original document (I don't know if you save the PPTs, but I save my PSDs) and just upload them to the wiki or externally and keep the square brackets? At least if we did that, the text would retain the formatting used originally. With the thingo I made, I know the text looks out of place next to the text with the layer styles applied. xD Doc rocco 04:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I hardly ever save my PPTs ! That's the one thing which I always don't do. Unless..... you wanna keep the text outside the square brackets in my case. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 04:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, with your banners, you've put the text in the most perfect spots! It'd be dead easy to relocate the bracket, and the image would look exactly the same! Though in the case of the second one, we might need to move the text so we can fit in more, but that's still easy as pie since it's on a white background and there'd be no clone stamping. :D Then the only thing left to do is see what fonts you used for conformity. *gets to work on it now* Doc rocco 04:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well lemme see : I used Jerry's handwriting for the first banner and Agency FB for the second. I'm not sure what'll go with these. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 04:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I finally managed to get going with the banners, so here we have the amended versions.

So there we are. =D Of course, I'll be able to change the text if needed, and I can send PSDs wherever if we go with this idea. Thoughts? Doc rocco 11:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you actually managed to move the text ! Kudos for a job well done. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 12:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Blue-Flash : I think we should send out a survey to most of the wiki users and set a dead line and the one with the most votes gets to be the banner.

TNE : Surely, after I bring this to everyone's attention. So far I've only managed to tell you, Azul and Rocco.

Yeah, for sure. Should we have a preliminary vote as well, on whether we want a single banner, or to use all of them, and possibly more? And if we want to have a single banner, shouldn't we let other users submit entries? Doc rocco 13:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep, we should. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

Does the badge thingy actually work here ? (2009.05.14)

After what I saw on Chocolancer's FFWiki page, I thought I'd give this thing a try. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

EDIT 15:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC) : Okay, it didn't work. Just in case you were wondering which badge I was talking about, see Chocolancer's page - the bottommost part. The badge with the logo + username + number of edits. Tried testing the same script here but it somehow doesn't work.

If it doesn't work why not ask Chocolancer about it? He may be able to give a reason why it doesn't work here. --Yer mom 15:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, don't divert attention away from the Affiliates page ! I'm still waiting for Yuan's response. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, we can use my KHfanonWiki (which is really more of a KHL wiki) as an affiliate! MechaUltimaZero 15:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy with that... though first of all, get a logo - and tell the admins. They'd be delighted to hear that. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 16:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to come and help me out with that. Sadly, all I have so far is a page for Vector Gray and a KHL template, but I'm working on it! And again, the first people to come help me out will be made into admins/etc! TNE and ShadowXemnas have the first invitations. MechaUltimaZero 16:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll create my userpage there tomorrow, perhaps. It's past midnight here. (And in the meantime I'm still waiting for Unbirth and a few other users !) *yawn* TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 16:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

EDIT : Done. What about the badge, guys, the badge ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 01:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this badge has to be created here somewhere... but where... - Iceboy 16:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not too sure myself....... ^_^" MediaWiki space perhaps ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 16:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Enemy template ? (2009.05.17)

SUMMARY by DoorToNothing : So, I believe that the strategy guides I have for all of the North American Kingdom Hearts games can suffice for a guide the attacks the Heartless and Nobodies use. I need to create a table for them to put on the pages; its my next BIG project. How can I create such a table, like the ones that are already used on the KH Wiki?

For the enemies themselves ? I thought KrytenKoro was in the midst of developing one... TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 04:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

From what I understand, he means a small box which would display the attacks which enemies use, not the main template. Am I correct DTN? Guardian Soul 04:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Think we should have it added into the current template as a third tab ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 04:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

We were actually going to have the tabs for the main template as one tab for every game. So one tab for Kingdom Hearts information, one tab for Chain of Memories, and one tab for Kingdom Hearts II. I think that this little box that DTN wants to create would be fine resting somewhere else down the page. Guardian Soul 04:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, here is the summary that I put of trois's talk page:

I think that I will need 4 columns:Action, Type, Description, & Deflection. Deflection can be abreiviated as DFL, because I'm just going to put an O (deflectable), Ø (non-deflectable), or ● (deflectable, but will not interupt the attack/combo). The number of rows will have to vary with the number of attacks each enemy can use. And I think a title bar will be necessary, to say "[Enemy Name] Attacks". Think you can handle this? --DoorToNothing 05:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

And for those who're gonna start on the template, you're most welcome to begin them here i.e. put in the full coding here. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 05:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll try:

Troisnyxetienne/Mensa Attacks
Action {{{action}}}
Type {{{type}}}
Description {{{description}}}
Deflection {{{deflection}}}

How's that? (the header automatically says the pagename!) - Iceboy 12:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Where does this go ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 13:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The stat based setup the enemies have, and the huge amount of attacks some have, I would actually rotate that table, and <small> or abbreviate the stat headers.
Sorry I haven't gotten to work on the Heartless box yet; my video game room flooded because the bloody raindrain had gotten clogged with plants, and I've been dealing with that. I'll start on it now.Glorious CHAOS! 14:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, will this be used on boss pages? If so, the title will need to be recoded so that we don't have (Enemy) in the title.Glorious CHAOS! 14:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I have a feeling we might use them on boss pages. I can't say for sure, though... I mean, they should ! TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

So just as an example:

Troisnyxetienne/Mensa Attacks
Action Type Description Deflection
{{{action}}} {{{type}}} {{{desc}}} {{{dfl}}}

with an align=center thrown in where it needs to be.Glorious CHAOS! 14:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Of course, if you're doing more than one attack per table, we'd have to figure out how to have a template have an indeterminate amount of rows. I have no idea at this point how to do that, so the template might actually be better for setting up the header of the table (so, Template:Attack, and then we continue the rows in normal table coding on our own, and then close the table. Or, the entire data entry could be the input to the table, so it closes on its own. I'm sure there's some elegant way to do it, I just don't know what it is.Glorious CHAOS! 14:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

The width of each column is adjustable right ? o.O

Lemme see, input the data into the table to make it close on its own ? I think we need to ping ILHI. I know his Final Fantasy talkbox was in the form of a close-by-itself table. TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 14:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

In response to the bosses subject, I plan to use this on both bosses and enemies from Kingdom Hearts II. And yes, there will need to be an indefinite amount of row, because enemies like Demyx have more attacks than enemies like Shadows.--DoorToNothing 15:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me try it out. - Iceboy 20:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone's Attacks
Action Type Description Deflection

OK, it works to use the <br>. but how does a long text come out? - Iceboy 20:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone's Attacks
Action Type Description Deflection
punches someone in the throat
kicks someone in the groin

OK, it stretches the description column, but keeps the 35% thingy... so when the column is no longer stretchable, it brings out a new line... shouldn't we make it so that the whole box stretches out? how do we do that? - Iceboy 20:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really great... or even good at all... with coding of any sort, so I can't really help you there, Iceboy, sorry. I'll take TNE's advice and attempt to get ILHI's attention--DoorToNothing 14:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, need a quick overview on what I am needed for and what you are trying to do. Template:ILHI 15:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

We're trying to make a table for enemy attacks based on the Bradygames Strategy guide. The big problem is, we were all trying to make the table close by itself so that we could easily put in attacks without having to.... I don't know... Kryten said this : "Or, the entire data entry could be the input to the table, so it closes on its own. I'm sure there's some elegant way to do it, I just don't know what it is." TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's what I don't understand: "closes on its own". What do you mean by "closes"? Template:ILHI 15:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's the full message :

"So just as an example:

with an align=center thrown in where it needs to be.Glorious CHAOS! 14:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Of course, if you're doing more than one attack per table, we'd have to figure out how to have a template have an indeterminate amount of rows. I have no idea at this point how to do that, so the template might actually be better for setting up the header of the table (so, Template:Attack, and then we continue the rows in normal table coding on our own, and then close the table. Or, the entire data entry could be the input to the table, so it closes on its own."

I think we might have to reel Kryten in (though I'm not sure how I'm gonna do it now - I've got to go to bed !) TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 15:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that should be easy. Though, last time I tried to do something like this it didn't work for no reason, well, code conflicts. So you want to have an infinite amount of rows? Template:ILHI 16:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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??? Template:ILHI 17:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess that solves everything, ya? Great job ILHI! - Iceboy 17:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Darn, we have to save it somewhere. Will the recommended name be Template:Attacks ? TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 05:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

EDIT 12:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC) : It is Template:Attacks, all set and ready for use. Thank you Kryten and ILHI. ^_^ TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 12:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Ability Nav Template?

Hey dudes and 'dettes, I was thinking that maybe we should have a navigation template for abilities. Y'know, it'd have a section for Magic, Sleights, regular abilities like Draw, specials like Arcanum, and possibly Limits and Drive Forms. Whaddaya think? Should I try and create an example? MechaUltimaZero 16:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. An example would be nice. -Azul (talkcontribs) 16:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, it's far from perfect or complete, but this is kind of along the lines I was thinking of:
MechaUltimaZero 16:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Whilst I'm here I'd better put in my two cents : I love that idea. Perhaps you want it collapsible with many sections, like most other templates on the wiki ? So the main sections :

  • Magic
  • Sleights (Too big to insert in, unless you're focusing on the main sleights. The main page has almost 200 sleights !)
  • Abilities
  • Limits
  • Drive Forms (Warning : Sora's forms are already in another template, so if we're planning on putting this one in, we have to find another way...)

TNE (Teste-moi, déteste-moi… !) 01:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

How about this:

(Since it's in Userspace now, I didn't know if the regular template thing would work) MechaUltimaZero 14:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


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