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Mark 06 - The Eva series. Born from Adam, they are an abhorrent existence for humans, yet they will even use them in order to survive.
TALK - I can't understand. 01:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
This.

Taking off from where that forum left, and a conversation in the IRC between us, and khwiki most prominent users (Raw log), it is clear that both wiki are debilitating, and if somenthing is keeping our wiki alive is Wikia's hig traffic, but what we lack is experience in most cases. What we, both me and Kryten are proposing, it's not neccesarily to throw all of our efforts to the garbage can: It is to move it to .net so we can merge our effort with theirs.

Basically, what this stand for is:

  • We'll carry over our contributions to the other site, and we will combine our policies, data, and get a new staff. How will it be decided, it as of yet unknown
  • This site would be turned more into a fan-site for news and events, of the like of KHInsider, among others

Im not going to force my view on anyone here. This place is to know how willingly are you guys to move. I'll do the best for both wikis.

'Anyone interested in discussing the politics of this situation in a serious and aptly-minded discussion is welcome to do so during this event.'


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Chitalian8 'Sup? — All the world needs is me. I got my values, so you can keep yours, alright?

Hello, dead kid speaking. — 05:22, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png To be clear, this means that there should no longer be any hostility towards any wiki in regards to this idea. Actually, there shouldn't be any hostility period. Please, if you disagree with the re-merge, disagree civilly. We're trying to mend relationships, not make them worse.


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UnknownChaser - We once created a world called Paradise, but we damn it into a world, now know as Hell.
TALK - 00:29, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
For all who already didn't know, the inter-wiki roundtable will be held on December 23rd.
  • The roundtable will be held on the .net noticeboard.
  • The time of the roundtable at the moment is undecided, but it will mostly likely be held at the evening at EST (Eastern Standard Time).
    • (click it for a time converter)
      • The reason for this late/early (depending on your time zone) meetings is because we're gonna be waiting for KrytenKoro to be on.

We hope you all can make it and leave/discuss your input on the merging.


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Roxas Who’s there? Roxas's Symbol smallNobody " Maybe we could study the stuff that's happening to me. You know, the dreams-and the guys in white..." NobodyRoxas's Symbol small

"Aren't these the steps you talked about? The ones that count different going up and down?" http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6069/twobecomeoneright.png — 03:03, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPicThe meeting will be held at 7:00pm EST on .net noticeboard. We hope to see you there!OathOblivTalkPic
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Chitalian8 'Sup? — All the world needs is me. I got my values, so you can keep yours, alright?

Hello, dead kid speaking. — 03:00, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png There will be a follow-up meeting held on Tuesday the 27th, at 5 PM EST. If you missed the first meeting, you can still attend this one. At this follow-up meeting, we will address the topics we didn't cover (Templates and Walkthroughs), as well as wrap up the ones from the first meeting.

After Meeting Updates/Logs

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UnknownChaser - We once created a world called Paradise, but we damn it into a world, now know as Hell.
TALK - 03:06, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
So the inter-wikis roundtable is now over and we would like to thank all that came and discuss.


Here are the logs of what happen at the meeting:
BE WARN, IT IS SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS AND IS EXTREMELY LONG
you have been warn.

Again, it is very, very, very long.

Discussion

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Soxra - I mustn't run away... I mustn't run away... I mustn't run away...
Talk - Soxxeh 06:14, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Despite all that was accomplished on IRC, notably the amount of concepts that were covered in terms of actually merging, I still have to say that I'm shaky on this entire business. I'm comfortable to say that we could pull it off, but I'm still not necessarily sure that doing so is what's best.

The fact is, right now we have two elements, regardless of how connected or diverged they have become. We have an encyclopedia run by the veterans, and an encyclopedia run by those who stayed behind. Though the original plan was to make this a fansite, that was more or less pushed aside because of tense inter-Wiki relationships.

While I would love to see an end to the Wiki wars and bring about a joint effort to create the best collection of Kingdom Hearts knowledge known to man, there are obviously concerns I have before I can even think of saying yes. (Which, I might add, is a 50/50 right now.)

The biggest and most in need of being covered is the fact that the... "new" Wiki (that is, .net) is a lot less fan-friendly. When discussing forums, for example, the concept of an "off-topic" forum was basically abolished. Needless to say the concept of "Wiki princesses" (I hate that term, but everyone seems to know what it means, so I'll use it here) is highly frowned upon, which gets rid of the people who simply want to be there as part of the community.

If we want to merge, we have to have a united community, regardless of which Wiki serves what purpose, and if those enjoying the new Wiki cannot be an active part of the community, at THEIR Wiki, they're going to go to the other. Let's face it: not many people want to manage and contribute to both. Perhaps a select few will, but it just doesn't happen as often as we'd all like to think.

That's my $0.02, and some good food for thought. I'd like to hear from the rest of the community also, as this is not a decision that should be left exclusively to the staff. While the finalization will be left to a joint administration, the input of the community is valued at equal to our own, so please, please, voice your concerns, suggestions, praise, or hatred (but be nice about it).


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Uryuu Ishida - "You want an attack full of "killing intent"? Then come get me. My bow is full of it." A Certain Scientific LegendAqua
TALK - "You're asking if this is a bow? Of course it is. You think I would use anything else?" A Certain Scientific LegendAqua 08:17, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Ok time to put my 5 cents (err..more than you guys but whatever)....
  • Firstly, I actually have no idea how this as Sox says it "Wiki war" began and quite frankly I don't want to know.
  • Secondly, though I like the idea of a merge while still keeping both wiki's, since I'm a veteran AFTER the split, therefore the Keyhole is my main "Home".
  • Thirdly, as Sox said again that the .net is not "fan-friendly", I think that I will be greatly disadvantaged. If you want to know why just ask me in my talk page as I don't want to express this in this forum.
  • Fourthly, though I've never edited in the .net, I would, though contributing at both for me will really strain me. (well same thing Sox mentioned earlier)
  • Lastly, I'd wish this "wiki war" would be over...I'm not on anyone's side, I'd just wished it had stopped though at one point I thought it was resolved.

Put simply from all my points, though I have SERIOUSLY nothing against .net, I don't like the re-merge.

"My 5 cents...paid more than you guys...for less wall of text...errrr......"





FinalRest Kairi TBS
FinalRest - "I'll come back to you... I promise!"
TALK - 08:39, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
FR Paopu Fruit Left I'm gonna add in my 2 cents, which brings our total to $0.09. If we keep going this way it won't be long before we have a dollar!

Anywho, I know that we are trying to have this discussion without offending anyone, but I really don't know how to express my opinion on this matter without making someone angry. So, the simplest way to say my piece is: I'm not really in support of this merge. I wish I could expand on this more at the meeting, but unfortuenatly the 23rd for you guys is Christmas Eve for me and I won't be able to attend. I would just really appreciate it if someone were to make logs available asap, so I (and anyone else who can't make it) am able to at least keep updated on what's going on. Please and Thank You!! FR Paopu Fruit Right


ArchieTBS
Archie - Thinking of you, wherever you are. We pray for our sorrows to end, and hope that our hearts will blend.
TALK - There are many worlds, but they share the same sky — one sky, one destiny.
Hmmm...More 2 cents = $0.11...Now we can buy a candy!

Okay...I'm rather new around here (March, I think), and i really don't know where this war came from...However, Before i signed up in one of them, I took a look in both. In the Khwiki.net, pardon, but i saw that there is a place only the veterans survive, thus a not so comfortable place for a newbie to start. In here, however, I could see a calmer and "fan-friendly" wiki. Not to judge the .net, but I chose to stay here, and I'm really happy.

In a nutshell, I have NOTHING against the .net, I just don't like the idea of (re-)merging both wikis.
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Chitalian8 'Sup? — And this is where this all goes to hell.

Full of fail, as usual. — 14:11, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png First off, it would be reeaal nice if someone could go through that massive log and cut out all the stuff that isn't related to the discussion...

Now, back to my point. You guys make it sound like .net will bar you from editing. Absolutely 100% untrue. We're merging so that you guys can all shine. For example, LA, we're planning to carry over the Quotes project you worked so hard on. In fact, all the awesome images .net doesn't have should be carried over in the merge. You guys outnumber us. With KH3D coming out, you'll have plenty of opportunities to edit. Don't think that you're limited to editing here. @Soxra, nothing was decided about abolishing the "miscellaneous" forum. Besides, while there are many people who join a wiki for the community aspect, I'm pretty sure most of them know to keep the discussion KH-based.

Frankly, I'm not even sure what the original source of the inter-wiki tensions was, maybe that whole image-copying fiasco a while back. But as you can see from that IRC log, the discussions held were mostly civil. From what I can tell, most .net users bear no grudges or ill will against the people at this wikia. It's up to you to reciprocate those feelings of good-will. If anyone causes severe drama during the upcoming Roundtable, and if it happens, the merge, I will hunt them down make sure they do not come out scot-free.

And yes, we may not be as fan-friendly as The Keyhole, but if there was a merge, that will most likely change. If there was a merging of the staff, you guys would have just as much say in the community as we would. This is a joint effort. The Keyhole isn't getting absorbed into .net, we're fusing the communities. We're trying to make this as equal of a merge as possible. Policies from this wiki would most likely carry over in some form. If merged, the staff will be around half-Wikia staff and half-.net staff Again, there's no point in having two wikis that are counter-productive to each other.

To conclude this unnaturally long speech (by my standards), I recommend that you don't use inter-wiki tension as an argument against merging. This shouldn't be viewed as a merging of necessity, rather a merging to amend past mistakes and start a new future. I fully support this merge, knowing its benefits (and its drawbacks). I want to get to a point where we can stop calling people ".net users" and "wikia users", rather they are just "KHWikia users".


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RoxasNobody - I didn't know this before, but as it turns out, Tyrannosaurs can really haul ass.
TALK - Wizardry aside, it's tough to beat a gun for discouraging men with baseball bats. -14:26, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT: Up to $0.13. We're making some serious money!

But really, I was here both before and after the split and actually briefly went 100% for .net immediately following the split. I can say from experience that Chitalian's right, .net's got nothing against editors coming over as long as they try to help the wiki. But I noticed two things that got me back here. First, the Keyhole had a lot more freedom built into it. Because we weren't trying to be 100% professional, the standards for pretty much everything (mainspace, forums, talk pages) were relaxed. Second, the community here was stronger. The community at .net has a pretty well-established hierarchy, and it's tough to move anywhere in it (at least from my perspective) if you're not editing 24/7. So I'm about where Sox is, I'm still kind of wary, but willing to listen.


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Mark 06 - The Eva series. Born from Adam, they are an abhorrent existence for humans, yet they will even use them in order to survive.
TALK - I can't understand. 15:49, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Alright, after a night of sleep, I can give my insight. Too much transpired last night in order for me to write somenthing properly. Let's start with listing the pros and cons.

PROS:

  • This hostility between wikis would be put to sleep once and for all.
  • The community would return to be one, bigger, more experienced one. Hence, more activiy.
  • Broader views and input on situation that might arise.
  • Adopting policies from both wikis into the new merged one.
  • A greater variety of resources for wich to benefit.
  • We would be no longer chained to wikia and its consequences.

CONS:

  • Lower user traffic and google results.
  • Gratings between users from both communities are set to arise.
  • Conflict between different edits styles, and having to adapt to different policies.
  • A less relaxed atmosphere, and overall less freedom.
  • Possible loss of editors that decides not to merge.
  • Not confirmed, but ther might be a loss of edit count, for those interested in it.
  • We wouldnt have access to wikia's benefits either. Khwiki.net does not hold all the possibilities that our mediawiki does.

*Slam hand in table, leaving a full, shiny green dollar before taking a seat*

Alright, time for me to speak my mind. You guys all know me. You guys all know what I did. You guys know how much I love you, and because I love you all, I feel obliged to share my thougnts on this matter with all of you. First off, if this is to be attempted, it will not be, by any deffinition of the word, easy. And as much as I'd like to be one community and one wiki, there are some things that we archived here that is higly probable we will lose: Freedom.

Im not saying that the community at KHWiki.net is going to forbid us from editing, but no matter how much of out policies we carry over, there are certains... habits from the veterans at .net that we will certainly wont be able to change. We will have to forsake at least a part of our freedom. Our current forums, for example. Some of them would be reshapred and merged with .net, while yesterday it was clear that, if not abolished, the idea of a simple normal socilizing forum was highly disliked.

We were once a great community that was sadly split by Wikia's Dictatory. Whether it was a good or bad chooice, that's up to all of you to decide on your own. Now, we are offered to ammend that that choice by becoming one again. But is it really what we want? Now is the time to look back and remember why we stayed behind back there. Was it out of caprice? or did we had our motives?

I did. When I stayed behind, I did it to enforce an encyclopedia, a friendly one. Should the re-merge succeed, there's a high chance of this site becoming a community place of the like of forums like KHInsider, for news and events, and the URL of .net will hold the serious encyclopedia. To me, somenthing does not feel right, but to be honest, I cannot grab what it is. I am certain that most, if not all of you, would like to remain as a friendly encyclopedia in a single site...

I am, personally, divided in this matter. My fellow users, dont make your deicision based on Wikia's decision, because we all know that for us, that's not somenthing so important. We've survived the monstruosity of Oasis, the stupidity of the chat, and if the Message Wall becomes mandatory, wich I doubt, we could even survive that, even with out share of problems and rage. This is not a matter of "Wikia is evil". In fact, Wikia is our greatest advantages here. Are we really going to sacrifice all the benefits that comes with it?

If it depends on me alone, I'd probably stayed here. But this isnt about my will, is about what everyone wish, as a community. I we merge, I'd like to know that it is because everyone agreed on it, and nobody will stay behind this time. I am well aware that only a single user is needed to start a revolution. I am the living example of that.

I, Dark-EnigmaXIII, serve my community as it 'crat, admin, and editor. Whether I have made a good job as one, each one of you know. But I will do what its best for my community, above anything else. If its the re-merge you guys want, so be it. If you guys want to stay here, so be it.

The future of this wiki is, and always was, in your hands. The hands of the comunnity. I am nothing more than the pawn that carry it out.

*stands up, smiling, and walks to the door* "Keep the change"

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Chitalian8 'Sup? — All the world needs is me. I got my values, so you can keep yours, alright?

Hello, dead kid speaking. — 16:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png Judging from all the responses, the main reason not to merge is .net's stricter attitude. First off, don't think of it as you guys losing your freedom. Rather, it would be more like giving more freedom to the .net site. Yes, the .net users will have to make an adjustment, but honestly, things there are not that much different. One of the reasons that the merge is being considered is that the sites are too similar to exist separately. Both sites are pretty much straight-up encyclopedias, with no room for speculation. Basically, you all could help make the wiki more fan-friendly by encouraging and helping newer users, something that you best the .net users at.

Again, we highly encourage you to participate in the Inter-wiki Roundtable this Friday (specific time TBA), provided that you can be serious about it. We would love to hear your opinions, which would help us make the merge pleasurable for both sides.


KyoWolfeRikuTB
KyoWolfe - Well, there is one advantage to being me... Something you could never imitate. Having you for a friend.
TALK - Fair enough... You could say I am... the biggest nobody of them all. -16:47, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Alright...lesse...how to put this. Since everyone is giving their thoughts here, I might as well do the same.

To be honest, I came after the split, and I have no idea what .net is like, so I hope I don't offend anybody from there when I say this, and if I do, I do apologize.

While I do want to see the drama between the two wikis end, believe me, I do, I can't help but be a little skeptical about it. I really am nervous about the changes to come, just because I have came to care about this site the way it is now the past few months and it's how I met real good friends and people real important to me, and to add to that, I love all of the community here and with the merge, the community will most likely change. I realize that all the wikia is is a collection of data on Kingdom Hearts, and it might be silly to be sentimental about it. "Misplaced Sentimentality" is what Kryten called it, I think. I realize this, but at the same time, even if it is misplaced, it's still there.

I'm going to stay if the merge happens, but everyone is writing down their views, and honestly, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit uncomfortable on it. I do understand everybody's points for why the merging is good, and I do agree, I just can't help but feel hesitant.


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AlVan - I'm the leading man, you know.
TALK - {{{time}}}
Hey guys, I haven't spoken in a while because of the holidays. All I want to say is, will the .net people be friendly? How about you answer my question, Chitalian? In my experience, I could put something on a page, it would get deleted, and then someone else would add it and it would stay. Also, I noticed you don't get the freedom of doing whatever you want in your own userspace which is just confusing. If we all merged, I would like to be more like here, where everyone gets along and is not so hostile. No, I'm not trying to mess up the wiki-relations, I'm calmly asking for a peaceful agreement. First of all, the Heartless Manufactory needs to die in a fire. Second, when you propose an idea on a forum, state your opinion nice and civil, not angry and ridiculous. I realize that I've acted like a jerk, and I'm sorry.


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VaniVoid97 - Tell me... Tell me why he picked you!
Tell me! - I see... that's why...18:25, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oathkeeper & Oblivion KHIII have been away for quite some time, so maybe my vote doesn't count, but I have some opinions. I think for .net the editing level would go up tremendously, but I think some editors got devoted to this wiki and maybe didn't want to work together with the editors of .net, because they don't like them for being less social than the people there. What I mean with that is that I think this wiki is more socialy devoted than .net and less results based. Of course this wiki is devoted to nice results too. Correct me if I'm wrong by the way. I am here quite a while. More than a year with some breaks, but I haven't noticed anything that looks like a "wiki war". Maybe we should vote for this. I think the wiki merge is better for both the Keyhole and .net as both got extroardinary editors and it'll only make the merged wiki better, but what happens with the people that really liked this place and liked Wikia? Therefore, I don't think this wiki should be entirely abandoned. I would vote for the merge, but, again, it's not my decision. I'm not back yet by the way, as I have a real tight scheme, but this was something I really wanted to comment on.Oathkeeper & Oblivion KHII


ShadowsHeartTB
CaelumLucisCaliga Talk! - Join the Darkness. We have cookies.

Dark Chocolate Chip Cookies! — 18:38, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Heartless Emblem $1.15!

@AlVan: If you have a problem with the Heartless Manufactury or how they start a forum, you really should tell them, not us...

@DE: Your doing it wrong. *Slam hand in table, leaving a full, shiny green dollar, then standing up, puts on sunglasses, and walks to the door* "Keep the change"

Well i won't say much because i dont have much to say. Just like RN, after the split i was with the .net completely. Then i saw their hierarchy, which no one can be a part of unless they edit 24/7. Giving this much time working on 1's and 0's, like kryten said, is just insane. So I move here, where thing are less strict, more friendly, yet still managed to be as efficient. I'm not sure if I want to lose that, or at least some of that. I'm ok with remerge, but I'll be lying if I said I'd prefer to.

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Chitalian8 'Sup? — I can't take one more minute of your nagging.

I suppose you're an ass... All the time. — 18:47, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png Alright, I don't understand this misconception of .net. "You can't be part of the hierarchy if you don't edit 24/7". There's many answers I have in response to that. Nay, negatory, of course not, false, wrong, and my favorite, guy falling off a cliff, NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo. You just edit. We're not asking you to spend your whole life editing. Edit when you can, that's the policy. Sure, if you want to be a staffer, it might take a little more editing. Actually, that's not even true, we have plenty of staff members that go days without contributing. But if you just want to be an editor, EDIT WHENEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. Opinions are welcome from anybody, no matter how much they've edited. This is something shown here, at the bottom.


RikuTBSprite
InfinityLimit I'm not afraid of the darkness! — 19:12, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
To be quite honest, I'm up for the idea of a merge. But there are two sides to this.
Negative
  • I mean, just don't think that just because a merge will happen then everyone will be friendly towards one another. There may be a select few or more that will feel opposed to this because of the growing feelings of hostility or their devotion to one wiki entirely. It may be over a third of the wiki, whichever one, that feels this way. It may even be both. People may want community, others strict editing and less community. These may clash, and many may leave. If each wiki counts as one, then merging them makes two. If a third of the people in each wiki don't want it, they will probably leave, making it 0.66/2 who will leave, which evens out to a 1/3 loss of editors. And that's just a guess; there may be more or less people who don't want this and who will leave.
  • Also, I came here after the merge, like the epitome of awesomeness KyoWolfe, so I haven't experienced this firsthand. But there's another factor. Article merging, policy merging, etc. I suppose policy merging will be simple enough, but article merging will be the real problem. A problem that came up on the IRC was about how there is a character and a boss article. Maybe one wiki has something that the other doesn't and maybe there are many cases like that. Having said this, it may take time to merge; maybe weeks or months. Each one has become so individualized that it may be hard to get back together again.
Affirmative
I just realized that it's hard to contradict myself.
  • Well, merging may bring feelings of hostility away. There will be no more anger towards each other - hopefully - and in my opinion, Dark-EnigmaXIII and DoorToNothing/KrytenKoro/Neumannz combined will be a force to reckon with. In the past, we've almost come to interwiki war and stopped. If there's no merge, the pattern may continue until a true interwiki war starts. Then there will be no chance of merge.
  • Merging may also bring more community. If community is opposed with strictness, they will balance each other out. People may feel more comfortable, and even factoring in the loss of editors, we may slowly gain new ones.

Thanks for reading my long text-walling speech.

I hope you're happy in the end~ -Wicked


Ienzo KHBBS
theepicME - "man wat ya gotta do to get a fight around here"
TALK - what did you expect a rainbow 3:02
i dont think this is going to work out as planned. trust me im scared that someones gonna vandalize the MERGED wiki as much as they can because of the wiki war going on.i also dont think this is gonna work out because of the way we have had this war and there are more than likely alot of people who are going to hold a grudge and try their best to unmerge the wiki if the dissagree.

theres no way i can completely dissagree though because we will see more activity as well as talk and we can become friends from the war really fast like pakistan and america. also i think we can get more edits and we can probably make the merged wiki better.also there can be a chance if we work out the diplomatic stance we CAN merge the wikis so techniccaly i think it will work out ok and if we dont merge soon the worst can happen to either wiki with overedits trying to outdo eachother (im not used to the wiki war so please explain it to me because i dont know much).


Sephiroth01
Darkheart3 "The light doesn't suit you." — "The time has come. Let us make the future!"

I admit you're very skilled...Heartless EmblemDarkheart3 Nobody20:22, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Curse you Edit Conflicts!

I have been on this wiki for over a year now. I experienced, the split, the war, everything. Heck, I even edited over there for a while. But I left. Why did I leave? Honestly, i'm not sure I even know myself. I found this wiki alot more friendly and caring. Now, i'm not a speech writer, so i'm not going to give you a massive wall-o-text on my soppy feelings and opinions. I'm just going to give you one sentence: I am not in support of the merge. However, if it is decided that the merge shall happen, and khwiki.net and kingdomhearts.wikia.com become one, I shall follow. Out of my love for the series, this wiki, and you guys. I am simply a user who serves this loved wiki, and wants to do whatever he can to help it. The rest is up to you.

Merry Christmas.


SoldierTBSSprite
Soldier - Clank-clank-clankity-clank.
TALK - Translation: I'm angry.- 20:30, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
I see your point, theepicMe, but I don't know how to paraphrase what you're saying because you're being so vague. I mean, why use America/Pakistan? So, staying on topic, you think vandalism will prevail, but tell me, how do wikis deal with vandalism? Mmhm. Get back to me on that. True, if we don't merge, overedits will happen, and people will become hostile, which we don't want.


RoxasHappy
Roxas Talk to Me! Roxas's Symbol smallNobody "All that for me?" NobodyRoxas's Symbol small

"I'll go get some ice cream!" http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6069/twobecomeoneright.png — 20:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPicEDIT CONFLICT ><

... *looks at everyone being tools and just adding their "2 cents"* SCREW THAT! I'M ADDING MA $20 BUCKS SO WE CAN GET SOMETHIN NICE!!! X3 But in all seriousness time for me to add my opinion before I go work on my paper. Like DE I'm sure all you guys know me by now. I was one of the old users that decided to stay behind after the move to breathe life into this abandoned wiki. I've seen it grow to the tremendous size it is today. I've seen it gain so many valuable users and remarkable people. It's been roughly 8 months since the move and today we are faced with the wish to join the two once more as a single unit of KH awesomeness.

Now as has been said only a billion times in this forum there are the pros and cons of merging. On the side of pros, we see an end to wiki hostility, and a more powerful wiki force. As for the negatives we have a potential loss of valuable users for a number of reasons. You all know them after reading the messages above of course. One of the major ones I feel is our users here being able to coap with the atmosphere of the other wiki. If we can get past that which I know we can, then that issue can be pushed aside. As for change, let's face it... Life if FULL of changes; be them pleasant or unpleasant. But do you think life stops throwing things at you just because you don't want to deal with changes? No, absolutely not. Life is all about dealing with changes and coaping with the new situation that arises. The thing that matters is that you make the good choises and progress. Now as Sox said, there are problems that could present themselves later on with the whole .net thing. But primarily, I feel the merge would definitely be a good choice and good decision. In my opinion there are just more faverable points then there are negative. And those that are negative can perhaps be overcomed. Now sure this wiki has been my "home so to speak ever since my arrival. But I am willing to embrace this change for the good of the wikis. I hope to see most of your bright and shining faces usernames (;D) full of thought and excite on the 23rd. Till then Ima go write meh paper. Thanks for your thoughts guys!OathOblivTalkPic


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Darkheart3 "The light doesn't suit you." — "The time has come. Let us make the future!"

I admit you're very skilled...Heartless EmblemDarkheart3 Nobody20:37, December 20, 2011 (UTC)~

23rd? What's happening on the 23rd? *DH actually bothers to read the small sidenote on DE's first message* Ohhh. Well, like FinalRest, the 23rd for you, is Christmas Eve for me. It is possible I will be able to attend, but unlikely.


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17master Wayfinder (Terra) KHBBS The name's Terra — Just your everyday Keyblade-Wielding anti-hero.

Steroids? Hell naw, these babies are pure workout.

Terrabladesymbol This bloodshed has been going for too long, far too long. Merging the community would be a great solution. We can help each other out, support each other, and have fun together. What's there to lose?

Also, Pancakes. We can share Pancakes. Just imagine the number of Pancakes there will be!

"Thirdly, as Sox said again that the .net is not "fan-friendly", I think that I will be greatly disadvantaged. If you want to know why just ask me in my talk page as I don't want to express this in this forum.

"In the Khwiki.net, pardon, but i saw that there is a place only the veterans survive, thus a not so comfortable place for a newbie to start."

"The community at .net has a pretty well-established hierarchy, and it's tough to move anywhere in it (at least from my perspective) if you're not editing 24/7"

" Then i saw their hierarchy, which no one can be a part of unless they edit 24/7."

Just...just...what?! As a mod on the .net, let me tell you, EVERYTHING YOU THINK OF THEM IS WRONG. I hardly edit, ever, like, seriously. EVER. And I'm a mod. People actually respect me (how'd that happen?!) there!

There is no "24/7 hierarchy" to speak of, because I've been here and there for less than a year and I'm a friggin mod already.

And not fan-friendly, and not comfortable with noobs? Uh...you guys probably just see the parts where we hate on STUPID noobs. Y'know, the ones who can't figure out how to do basic stuff, like tying their shoelaces. I'm not a veteran by any means, and I'm again, respected. Also, we have fun there! Mirage Arena and Erry's Arena thingy. Bam. What. And if you guys think we are all tightwads and hardasses....well...that's just DTN and Kryten. They don't count.

I hope this clears some stuff up with you guys. --—SilverCrono (talk·contribs) 20:57, December 20, 2011 (UTC)


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UnknownChaser I only exist only to keep her memory alive. In the name of the moon! This user will punish you! 22:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Well first off I don't wanna give anyone my $0.02, so I'll give you all a can of soup, a loaf of bread, and a block of cheese.

But anyway, back to the point, I'll keep this short. like Sox said, this whole re-merging thing is a little shaky, but it can be pull off if we have a go for it. I'm all for the merge, really, if its gonna "fix" relationship between the two wikis and/or improve both. Yes, there will be somewhat of a confusion if we were too merge both, but we dealt with worster things before. It'll b hard but it can be done.

But above all, if your with against or support of the merge, something must be done either way with both wikis, to improve both wikis, because these wars/conflict are really unnecessary, so like it already been said, I encourage you all to come to the inter-wikis meeting on the 23rd.

Now take your can of soup, loaf of bread, and block of cheese and like it.

Also I sense a Marvel vs Capcom references in here.


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Keyblade0 - Should I open the Treasure Chest?
TALK - I just obtained a potion! — 22:48, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
GAH, DARN YOU EDIT CONFLICTS!!!

...anyway...

And now, some words from a fellow user at the other wiki...

There are many great things that can come with merging, and terrible things that also go along with it. I do not believe that once we merge the wikis, the arguements between the 2 wikis will stop. There will always be at least two or 3 users who will disagree with anything and everything.

But, in the exciting chance and event that I am completely wrong, we will all hold hands, form a circle and sing, showing all of our friendship and peace to one another, just like an end of a christmas special.

...what? A user can't dream?


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KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on."
TALK -
Just real quick, I want to say this whole "only 24/7 editors get elected" is hogwash. Dude, I'm the most introverted editor on the khwiki and was the same on the wikia, and anyone who actually takes a look at the staff election forums sees that I am constantly campaigning to get as many regular editors as possible the staff rights. In fact, it's the community at large who has always voted me down on that respect.

Other notes:

  • "When discussing forums, for example, the concept of an "off-topic" forum was basically abolished." - No. It was discussed that such a forum would work better on the fansite wiki. The plan here is not that we abandon the wikia address, and it's not that we force you guys to work at the khwiki while continuing to do the same work here. We are inviting you to build an encyclopedia at khwiki and a fansite here, with all that entails.
  • "Needless to say the concept of "Wiki princesses" (I hate that term, but everyone seems to know what it means, so I'll use it here) is highly frowned upon, which gets rid of the people who simply want to be there as part of the community." - This really...isn't that difficult to consider. If you want to socialize, you do it at the social channel or social wiki. If you want to write a comprehensive encyclopedia, you do it at the encyclopedia. I mean, if you're an MLP and KH fan, you're still able to work at the MLP and KH wikis, right? This is no different.
  • "Khwiki.net does not hold all the possibilities that our mediawiki does." - it actually does. Porplemontage manages our extensions, and he is tremendously easy to get a hold of. Furthermore, the very fact that wikia is GDFL means that if wikia introduces something you want on the KHWiki, we can easily request the code from them. This also means we can get things installed even if wikia doesn't want to.
  • "First of all, the Heartless Manufactory needs to die in a fire." - AlVan, I'm sorry I have to sour things by saying this, but the whole point of the manufactory is to encourage two angry editors to work together instead of fighting. To be perfectly frank, you made no real effort to participate in that even after the staff laid out exactly what they needed you to add and you basically just needed to copy-paste. Yes, you were asked to do a significant amount...after the situation had already heavily deteriorated due to you and me.
  • "i also dont think this is gonna work out because of the way we have had this war and there are more than likely alot of people who are going to hold a grudge and try their best to unmerge the wiki if the dissagree. " - Nobody who would have that goal has any shred of power at the khwiki, and I don't think there's anyone like that here.
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LightRoxas - "I'm me! Nobody else!"
TALK - "Looks like my summer vacation is... over."
I barely ever edit. Like, I come in and do a couple every week. Have I been hate mailed? Yelled at? Called stupid? No.

Sure, we at khwiki.net have had our share of fiascoes, but normally it's in the case of a user going against rules or repeatedly going against the Manual of Style. You guys have been no different: [1]

We need you guys, man. Your wiki works hard, you get great images and renders and started a fantastic quotes project. Your page redesigns have all been awesome looking. You have a plethora of Users that add plenty of info.

Why should these communities be separate? We have the same purpose, and at .net we have our own hard-working users. Keeping two wikis is pointless.

While I know that some of you have had issues with a few of our users in the past, the majority of us at .net will honor and respect you. We aren't man eating baboons, we care, and all your work will be maintained.


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InfinityLimit I'm not afraid of the darkness! — 23:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
I hate to say this, LightRoxas, but I kind of feel like people at the .net will not accept people from here and will eventually try and become hostile towards us. I mean, then it'll become two groups. The leaders and key players of .net might feel friendly towards us, but the majority may still feel opposed. And to be perfectly honest, and I'm not trying to be mean here, honestly, it feels like you're trying to use us when you phrase your words that way in a sense that you "need us".
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Chitalian8 'Sup? — All the world needs is me. I got my values, so you can keep yours, alright?

Hello, dead kid speaking. — 23:23, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png I don't think I'd be wrong in saying that a good portion of our current, active users are staffers. I also think that active non-staffers are competent enough to not let those issues create "two groups".
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KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on."
TALK -
"honestly, it feels like you're trying to use us when you phrase your words that way in a sense that you "need us"."

...we need more active and engaged editors? Don't you guys need the same exact thing?

"I hate to say this, LightRoxas, but I kind of feel like people at the .net will not accept people from here and will eventually try and become hostile towards us. I mean, then it'll become two groups. "

...you guys are aware that nearly half your staff are members of the khwiki (and most of them are staff there), and that the same group of people hang out in the IRC chat rooms?

Guys, seriously. We have basically the same community already, and most of the same content. The whole point of this is to bring in the last few stragglers and get rid of all the imagined paranoia and mistrust here.

Re:all this paranoia (Chitalian wanted me to post it) -- KHWiki is not Zimbabwen penis-stealing wizards.

Okay, so here's my $1,000,000. I have been waiting for someone to bring this idea up for the longest time- I thought about it, but couldn't decide as to how to present the idea, so I didn't. What's the point in having two wikis with many of the same members that compete with each other, whereas if the two wikis were merged so that one could become an encyclopedia and the other a fansite both would benefit due to them existing in different niches. I've seen some amazing things here; the quotes project, the addition of renders for pages with bad renders, and fantastic new members. If we could merge the wikis so that things like the quotes project could move to .net while the Quizziling Aqua's Arena and the roleplay could stay here, it would be great. I've been dying for some new blood to come to the .net, and I apologize if my behavior drove any of you away. So you guys could come to .net and help out there while making new fan-related projects and conversations here. What's not to like?

And yes, I feel like our behavior at the .net towards so-called "wiki princesses" (a name that I also despise) has been harsh in the past. Maybe instead we can direct people interested in chatting with friends to this website instead? --As if! 03:45, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


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LightRoxas - "Go ahead, you just keep running! But I'll always be there to bring you back!"
TALK - "He made me feel... like I had a heart."
1. We don't have that many members, and if you look at the discussion here, nearly everyone has expressed favor for the merge.

2. How would we be using you? We would have one site, we would all still work on it... no one would lose anything.

In all honesty, I can't express how impressed I am with the work you guys have done here (as freaking snow falls down over my edit table). You guys have come up with fantastic ideas, and so have we. Why keep them separate?

It would become a wiki for all. Sure, it would be at khwiki.net, but it would be run by DE and Sox in conjuction with the leaders of .net. All the content here would be kept in some shape or form. I really can't see where all the paranoia is coming from.


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Master Vantius - The light and darkness must be equal to bring balance to the worlds.
TALK - Wayfinder (Aqua) KHBBSMasterVantiusWayfinder (Aqua) KHBBS 04:55, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
I, like DE and Soxra, am waffling on the this topic. I joined before the merge and have put one year into this wiki to a degree and do not want to see the changes we have made go for not. I remember the some hostility by the mods towards new users, especially you Kryten and there was no freedom of expression, even on userpages. Also, this wiki has better aesthetic appeal to it created by Soxra's amazing coding. I would be in favor of a remerge if:
  1. A more welcoming and social community is created that encourages users to express their love of the series.
  2. Civil and respecting mods, Kryten. That is a big turn off for me from .net.
  3. Knowledge that I don't have to be fluent in Japanese to do anything productive.
  4. A less strict environment in policy to promote point one.

Also, before anymore discussion is made, a clear list of what would be new for both wikis be established so this hole opinion rants can stop. And if a remerge is done, the new crats be active on both wikis so a community is developed.

And, when was there a wiki war!?

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KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT."
TALK -
Several things:
  1. I've never policed user pages, and my policy is always to ignore "wiki princesses", not criticize them. Any policies against user pages...were voted into action by the community at large, on this wiki, before the move. The KHWiki has not enacted any new policies to that effect, and has had no issues with castigating people for princessing.
  2. I'm hostile towards people that violate our policies and then shout at me when I clean up after them, and admittedly hostile towards people who keep saying I'm wrong or implying I'm lying even after I cite sources again and again. On the converse, I make sure to congratulate helpful editors, and fight for people to get admin positions. I fully admit that I am not always civil, but...the biggest part of that is that I don't long tolerate when people are uncivil towards me.
  3. That is false. I have personally made lists and tried to walk people through what can be done without knowing a single thing about Japanese. Very, very little requires fluency in Japanese; in fact, the only time it's needed is for names and Japanese game-only topics. If any of you saw the whole "Aero" event on the KHwiki, that was a pretty clear example of me trying to lead someone through writing an article that required no Japanese skills, and barely any access to physical materials.

I know that I and a lot of the most senior staff on the khwiki don't go out of our way to socialize with other editors outside of the IRC, but I have yet to see any serious attempts to clamp down on socialization on the KHWiki. It's one thing to say that the senior staff is not warm and congenial, which is true, but it's kind of taking the piss to be accusing us of constant hostility.


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LightRoxas - "One day when you're in trouble, the light within you will lead you to the light of another. Someone to keep you safe."
TALK - "Ven, I'm sorry... I might not make it back as soon as I thought. But I promise I'll be there, one day, to wake you up."
I think people tend to think of Kryten as being ultra hostile just because they've seen him rage someone once or twice. But I can testify that 95% of the time, Kryten is completely civil, despite the rights he might seem to have to get angry. I've repeatedly bugged him about minuscule things and he has never once raged me, but always respectfully answered. He says he loves all of us for a reason: he actually does.


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Roxas Who’s there? Roxas&#039;s Symbol smallNobody " Maybe we could study the stuff that's happening to me. You know, the dreams-and the guys in white..." NobodyRoxas&#039;s Symbol small

"Aren't these the steps you talked about? The ones that count different going up and down?" http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6069/twobecomeoneright.png — 23:23, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPicGuys enough. Seriously? We are here to join together NOT to point fingers at each other and yell. Look, I know you all have mixed feeling about .nets users. I know you all hear the stories and see certain things happen and think, "OH they must be monsters!" They're not. A lot of them are quite friendly. But in this case it only took one of two insidences to spoil a lot of peoples' opinions. You may not know it, but you guys know many of their users now. Keyblade0, Erry, SilverCrono, LightRoxas, 17Master, UnknownChaser, Chitalian they're all on .net. And at the same time they are some of the nicest people I know. I befriended many of them before the move and they are friendships I will cherish. Don't look at a few issues and act like they're monsters. We all have out bad days. KK is a fair person and quite nice. I was a bit distant from him but that doesn't mean I hated him. I respected his work and to be honest he is actualy a good person. That can be said for all of the users there. Just because some of them may have some different views on some different things doesn't make them bad people. Listen and believe me when I say I have experience with all of them. I know who they are and how they are. They are all good people. One or two does not a community make. Think of them on a whole and listen to what the users that actualy have experience with the older users have to say about them. Myself, DE, Soxra, CLC, FR, Chitalian, and UC have all been with them and know them. Also remember these are different times. We should be acting as a wiki trying to better ourselves. We are all after the same thing. The wealth of KH knowledge yes? To build and achieve that we need ack as 1 fan base. To do that we need to get along. Let's leave these unpleasant thoughts behind us and look to the future. That is all.OathOblivTalkPic
That was beautiful, friend. RadiantRoxas&#039;s Symbol smallChaos 01:46, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Yes, we will include you. I, for one, know absolutely no Japanese (besides "arigatou") and can still make helpful edits. There is a niche for everyone on .net- you know all those infoboxes you have specifying "wiki-otter" or "wiki-gnome" jobs? Those exist on the .net too. And we are in dire need of all of them. We need more users. That's not an opinion; it's a fact. We want all of you to come over. We're really not monsters. We just want people to be helpful, which you want as well, and when someone adds misinformation or miscodes a template, we tell them. If someone breaks a rule repeatedly, we call them out on it, as we should. The rumors you are hearing are far over-exaggerated; we want new users. We need new users. We want YOU... to join .net. We will not make two groups of users. As Roxas pointed out, our userbases interlap already. I can't wait to get to know Kyo, LegendAqua, and all the other users who joined the Keyhole after the division. And of course, I can't wait to be able to edit alongside both sets of users in one wiki. So let's stop fighting over that.

Yes, we will change our skins and templates to match the Keyhole's standards. Yes, we will let you continue the quotes project. Yes, we will house all your amazing renders. Just keep doing what you're doing, what you like to be doing, and there shouldn't be any large problems. Now let's stop acting like two different teams, and start thinking of ourselves as one big community, okay?

Summary: Two community bad, one community good. --As if! 03:07, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

That was beautiful, friend. --—SilverCrono (talk·contribs) 04:37, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


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Xion - If the world is made of light and darkness... We'll be the darkness.
TALK - Oblivion KHREC "Well, there is one advantage to being me... Something you could never imitate. Having you for a friend." Oblivion KHREC-05:22, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
Took me forever to read this. (I wouldn't have ever until Vantius told me)

I suddenly don't feel like saying anything more because everyone above already took most of the words...

I joined a day after the division, and I don't know what had happened that day. But, nevertheless, I can help contribute if I have time to the .net. I'll fill in a bit of that niche :3 (I learned that word today from a vocab exercise)

Probably the most boring message every and such sort, but nice to meet you, .net users!




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Darkheart3 "The light doesn't suit you." — "The time has come. Let us make the future!"

I admit you're very skilled...Heartless EmblemDarkheart3 Nobody20:03, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh! CURSE you guys and your soppy messages :3 Alright, you've persuaded me. I've had a little time to think about it and i've thought: "Hey. It's time to end all this bloodshed war. Let's work together." I'm all for it. The only thing I have a question about is the Walkthrough Namespace? What will happen to it?

Most likely going to get trashed. It's not like it gets used after all. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1219/twobecomeoneleft20px.png http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3199/roxaspageicon20px.png Roxas http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3199/roxaspageicon20px.png http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4850/twobecomeoneright20px.png 20:34, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


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Dark-EnigmaXIII - Humans constantly feel pain in their hearts. Because the heart is so sensitive to pain, humans also feel that to live is to suffer.
TALK - You're so delicate, like glass, especially your heart.20:39, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
Wrong, Roxas. It is up to discussion.


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Chainoffire - "If light and darkness are eternal, then surely we nothings must be the same... Eternal."
TALK - Anger and hate are supreme. - 3:00, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
NobodyOkay, from my point of view (puts $0.02 into community piggy bank) it looks like that the negative outweighs the positive. We divided for a reason, and if we merge, it looks like we will have a lot of drama and fighting over everything. If we merge, the idea of re-dividing will come into play. This seems like this could lead into an endless cycle, and we really don't want that happening. I think that we should stay separate, but have more respect for the other wiki, there should be no war, but we could not hate each other. (puts in $0.01 due to inflation.) Plus, say we do merge, what happens to all of our work? I personally did some work on the userbox project and the Days articles. Will all that work just go to waste once we merge? Was that all for nothing? Were all my edits pointless? Sorry if I repeat anything previously stated.Nobody


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InfinityLimit - Please, Sora. I made a promise.
TALK - You made a promise to Riku!?- 09:11, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
Chainoffire: Let's start from your post backwards.

I personally did some work on the userbox project and the Days articles. Will all that work just go to waste once we merge? Was that all for nothing? Were all my edits pointless?

Well, looking at your editcount in Special:Editcount, it seems that of your 593 edits, roughly 500 were user and talk page edits, and only 22 were mainspace edits. Surely that would not be quite relevant, but let's look deeper.

Plus, say we do merge, what happens to all of our work?

MERGE. M-E-R-G-E. The articles will MERGE. Bad taken out, good parts in.

I think that we should stay separate, but have more respect for the other wiki, there should be no war, but we could not hate each other.

I'm actually not sure if that could work. I mean, many things happened for a minor sense of hostility, although a lot of people may not want to accept that. Merge or no merge, it'll stay there. I don't think anything but merging would be powerful enough to dispel hatred.

If we merge, the idea of re-dividing will come into play. This seems like this could lead into an endless cycle, and we really don't want that happening.

You bring up an EXTREMELY valid point there. Very, very true. There will be little to no way to stop that if it goes down that path. And trust isn't exactly priority right now.

We divided for a reason, and if we merge, it looks like we will have a lot of drama and fighting over everything.

Refer back to reply 3.


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Edthehyena - "Don't give me any of that 'hiya' stuff."
TALK - "If you ever come back, we'll kill ya!"- 12:39, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I know that I have been here in this wiki for less than six months. I also haven't read every single wall o' text here, so sorry if I repeated something that was already said. I just want to show my opinion. Personally, I don't want to merge and here are a few reasons why.

1: What about all the new users that just joined the wiki, like a day ago or so? They probably don't know what the Khwiki.net is. They will be confused when they see the Wiki change right before their eyes. Then suddenly, some random people tell them to go to a completely new Wiki? They will be lost and confused.

2: Honestly, I don't like Khwiki.net (no hostility to the Khwiki.net people, I'm sure I'll like the users, I just don't like the layout). The text is smaller, (for me anyways, I'm not sure about anyone else) it's confusing to get from one page to another, and I just don't like the overall layout of the Khwiki.net.

3. If this Wiki becomes a fansite, I'm sure it will be destroyed in a few days because of trolls. I don't want my "home" being destroyed.

Of course, I doubt my opinion is valid because I have less than 500 edits. I just wanted to show my opinion.

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Chitalian8 'Sup? — I can't take one more minute of your nagging.

I suppose you're an ass... All the time. — 14:05, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png All right, this is getting a tad ridiculous.

@Chainoffire: The split did not occur because of community reasons. The wiki forked because of WIKIA, THEIR NEW SKIN, AND THEIR OPPRESSIVE BEHAVIOR. Nothing to do with the community. Honestly, we got along pretty damn well (most of the time) even before the split occurred. Whether or not that changes if there is a re-merge is up to you all individually. And yes, as InfinityLimit explained, much content from the Keyhole will be carried over, such as your quotes pages, as well as your superior gallery pages. Again, this is a merge, not an absorption.

@Edthehyena: First off, you appear to prefer Oasis to Monobook, correct? I believe it's possible for .net to install a version of Oasis (not completely sure, gotta run that by Porple later). Regarding you saying "They will lost and confused." Aside from you accidentaly-ing that sentence, new people won't be confused if there's a giant sitenotice or something like that explaining the situation and linking to .net. When you say that the fansite will be destroyed by trolls, we're not gonna just leave it out in the open. People will be monitoring the site and hopefully reverting vandalism.

Again, everyone, I know it can be tedious, but please read through the whole forum, as well as the complete log. It makes it so that you know the situation without us having to keep filling you in.

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RoxasNobody - You make a good other.
TALK - No one would miss me. -14:38, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
Chitalian, I agree that this is getting a bit ridiculous. We're literally finding tiny things to nitpick. But addressing some of the major concerns:

@Edthehyena: Anything to do with look or skin can be fixed once we're over there. I mean we've got Soxra, the Merlin of coding coming over. He made it snow, for Pete's sake! But the main point I want to address is the new users/anons. People would still edit here during the transition to a fansite, so unlike last time, we're actually going to direct the users to .net. There will probably be some confusion, but it shouldn't be too hard to sort out.

Now I won't be able to make the meeting tonight (except maybe the very end, but probably not), so there is one thing I want someone to bring up. This time we need a solid and specific plan. Much more specific that "We're just going to turn it into a fansite." We also need users who are willing to truly oversee this change to a fansite. Last time, the lack of those two killed any real chance of the transitioning happening. I'd also be willing to volunteer, if we need names. Now seriously someone bring this up tonight.


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Master Vantius - The light and darkness must be equal to bring balance to the worlds.
TALK - Wayfinder (Aqua) KHBBSMasterVantiusWayfinder (Aqua) KHBBS 16:27, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
I also might not be able to attend the meeting tonight.

@RoxasNobody, I agree with you completely on the need for over-site and leadership in making sure this transition works. I would also volunteer to help with that if need be.


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Master Vantius - The light and darkness must be equal to bring balance to the worlds.
TALK - Wayfinder (Aqua) KHBBSMasterVantiusWayfinder (Aqua) KHBBS 04:56, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
I am posting this on both wikis.

After being at the meeting briefly, I got the impression that the Keyhole will be left to its own devices again when the merge happens. So, I got an idea.

Why can't both wikis be extensions of each other. The Keyhole be the fanbased and .net be the encyclopedia. They share an over arching staff, and have smaller local staff to see day-to-day ops. This could promote a real "community" feel.

If you think this is a bad idea say so.

Uh, thats is generally the plan. That was what was going to happen when we first had the split. However, that was mucked up, and now we are reverting to the original plan. Heartless EmblemDarkheart3 Nobody 04:59, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

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Chitalian8 'Sup? — All the world needs is me. I got my values, so you can keep yours, alright?

Hello, dead kid speaking. — 05:51, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png If you don't have the time or patience to read Chaser's massive logs, read this. It shows a condensed version of the points hit on during the roundtable, plus shows what Kryten thinks about all of it. Please take the time to read it.


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TALK - Frolic Flame KHBBSYou don't know anything about Terra!-20:43, December 24, 2011 (UTC)Lost Memory KHBBS
Wayward Wind KHBBSReading the summary, the merge seems fine with me. I'd just like to know what's staying on the Keyhole (like the Roleplay) and such....Wayward Wind KHBBS


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TALK - "Anyways, this cake is great - it's so delicious and moist!"
News pertaining to the roleplay will likely still be posted here; as for the roleplay itself, that should still be at the wiki Sox is making. I would expect that the merge may end up slowing development of the RP a bit.

As for anything else, that is mostly unknown, but I would say you could expect The Lanes Between to stay here as well.


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Dark-EnigmaXIII - Humans cannot create anything out of nothingness. Humans cannot accomplish anything without holding onto something.
TALK - After all, humans are not gods.19:22, December 25, 2011 (UTC)
With all due respect, LightRoxas, the Roleplay is my project. I'd appreciate if you did not make your own assumption public as official. We still dont know what will happen to it.


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LightRoxas - "I'm me! Nobody else!"
TALK - "Looks like my summer vacation is... over."
I am aware that it is your project, and I'm sorry if it seemed as if I was posing as someone in charge. I am also aware that we don't know for sure what will happen. I thought from the language I used (likely, should, would expect, etc), it was fairly clear that I was only making an unofficial assumption based on some of the stuff that came up at the Roundtable.

And also, have a Merry Christmas!


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Master Vantius - The light and darkness must be equal to bring balance to the worlds.
TALK - Wayfinder (Aqua) KHBBSMasterVantiusWayfinder (Aqua) KHBBS 03:48, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
@DH3 and Chitalian, I am still confused by your wording. I read the logs and that didn't help either.


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Darkheart3 "The light doesn't suit you." — "The time has come. Let us make the future!"

I admit you're very skilled...Heartless EmblemDarkheart3 Nobody04:08, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

What is there to be confused about? When the community split because of wikia, .net was supposed to be an encyclopedia, while .wikia became a more fan-based site. However (I hate to point fingers), DE and Sox returned, and started building it into a encyclopedia, with a bit more fan-based material. Now, if and when we merge, we are reverting back to the original plan. .net will be the official encyclopedia, while .wikia becomes a more fan-based site.

Hope this clears it up.


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TALK - Wayfinder (Aqua) KHBBSMasterVantiusWayfinder (Aqua) KHBBS 04:25, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
It does. I thought you referring to the idea I posted before your comment. That was why I was confused.