Talk:Sora

DISCUSSION

uh...okay now. I just added major points in the article, and I need help as well. So...yeah.

Age
I know this is kinda odd. but the subject of sora, kairi, and riku's ages in kh2 is kinda up in the air. It is never officially stated anywhere in KH2 exactly how old they are. but i would say that Sora and Kairi are 16 and Riku is 17. i know they were 2 years younger in KH1 but really. look at them. no one matures that much in a single year. especially sora. compare him to from both games. the level of maturity is so drastically different and its absurd to say he got all that in one year, the voice change, growth spurt and mental maturity. could people stop saying that they are 15 and 16 in KH2. i know it takes place a year after Chain of memories, but really people. Sora is 14 in KHI and KHCOM also he's 15 in KHII I read it in KH english websites. Cococrash11

the reason you think he sounds so different is because the age of sora and the age of his voice actor are slightly diproportional.--Foutlet 02:46, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

--SquareEnixRocks 02:20, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

abilities
sorry to bother who ever is reading this but I just have one thing I don't understand

I'm not comlpaining so sorry if it sounds this way. I don't understand why no one has added a list of soras abilities under the section "abilities"

I know the people who work on this site got a lot to do so I pasted it at the bottom of the page(really sorry it takes up so much room) so if the members deside they want to add it its all here and a simple copy and past away (that should save some time)

Luis


 * Kingdom_Hearts_Abilities, this time, try actually reading it. Other than that, you can see same stuff, but in a different setup, here. --Hecko X 14:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks sorry to bother you

Luis

Cleaning Up
This article could use some cleaning up.--Dreyfus 07:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, plus originality - it's pasted form Wikipedia. Scott ch  06:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

About Riku and the Keyblade
I removed the part about Riku being the "intended weilder" from this article and "Keyblade" due to lack of sufficient evidence. Its a theory, but its never stated in the game and therefore I dont think it should be said here.

At KHvids.com...

http://www.kh-vids.net/index.php?page=khcutv3

I recently watched the Destiny Islands scenes and the Hollow Bastion scenes, and none of them support the fact that Riku was the original intended owner.

Also, to me, the fact that The Awakening occurred at the very start of the game means that Sora would have had to be the keyblade wielder all alone. If anyone can support the data that I took out, they are welcome to prove me wrong and put it back in. However, until then, I'm removing it. Thanks. --Zephyrus11 02:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Answered my own question by finding this

http://www.khinsider.com/content/view/42/41/

Though my point about The Awakening still leaves me confused...

--Zephyrus11 05:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody-ness?
Hey, has anyone else noticed this? We all know that Sora lost his heart by releasing it for Kairi, and that it created Roxas, blah blah blah. But has anyone noticed that since he doesn't have a heart (having given it back to Kairi), wouldn't that make him a nobody, too?! HarukaHeart13 00:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He basically went through a loophole that let him give his heart to Kairi while still keeping it for himself. XienZo 01:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, uh...that's kinda confusing. HarukaHeart13 02:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually...He didn't give his heart to Kairi, Kairi's heart was inside his (yes it's confusing, but it's Square-Enix). Therefore, he unlocked his heart to free hers, turning him into a heartless. Kairi helped Sora see the "light" and put his heart back in order. It wasn't really explaned, but that's what I got out of it.
 * Akamoron 21:05, June 22 2008

Alright, here's as clear as I'm going to see it. In the beginning of the game, as Destiny Islands was getting destroyed, do you remember that cutscene in the Secret Place, where Sora saw an illusion of Kairi come flying at him, then suddenly disappear just as he was about to catch her? From what I can see, there is evidence that it was at that point that Sora actually started housing Kairi's heart. When Sora stabbed himself with the dark Keyblade made out of the other Princesses' hearts, he released Kairi's heart from his own being, returning it to its original body, and lost his own heart in the process, which became the Shadow Heartless you temporarily play as. However, because of the strong connection made between their hearts, both when their hearts were separate from each other and when they were both housed inside Sora, Kairi managed to call his heart out of the darkness and bring him back to normal form. As to how he got a body back, now that's for your own speculation, especially since Roxas and Namine were supposed to be created from his body after the sacrifice. If it gets any clearer than that, someone please let me know. Keyblader 02:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe it says this in the Sora's Heartless page, but technically Sora was a Heartless after that, and not a Nobody or Complete Being. Because his "shell" or Body and Soul had already become Roxas when Kairi's Light fetched his Heart, his Heartless body simply transformed into a human shape(or at least, thats what I think). So Until he remerged with Roxas in the beginning of KH2, Sora was a Heartless with a Heart. --Evnyofdeath 06:05, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sora's height
You should put down the characters height like sora is around 5'2 or 5'3 so that would make kairi 5'1 or 5'2

No, we shouldent unless some official material states their height, otherwise it's just speculation which dosent belong on a Wiki.Brago-77 19:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ok sorry to bother you

Concept
i found a spanish wiki that had a concept section for Sora so i thoguht it made sense that we put one up.

It is kind of odd that we don't have one, considering how much information there is on the subject... I mean, there's concept art sketches all over the place back from when Nomura was still thinking about making him this... wierd... lion... thing. On that note, we should probably mention the change his hair color undergoes from KH1 to KH2, given the Roxas article mentions the inverse observation.

Image



 * Would anyone object to having this be the image in the infobox? Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 21:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Biggest piece of evidence regarding the sora/kairi relationship
Quote: "The biggest evidence, however, was in chain of memories, when Namine admits that she was never Sora's friend, and he sadly says: "we were never anything... more than that either."

Im just curious as to how this would be the 'biggest' evidence that we have regarding sora's relationship status with kairi. And probably the main reason why I ask this is most likely because I cannot clearly translate what Sora has stated to Namine regarding her. Could this piece of evidence suggest that:

A. Sora states that they were more than just friends.

B. Sora states that, although he is not a friend of Namine, he is more than a friend to Kairi?

C. All of the above, except A, B & C.

But all I ask is a clarification of what Sora means about kairi in this quote.--Pkthis 02:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The entire section is speculative and should probably be deleted or at the very least rewritten. --Hecko X 12:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is a point to all of that in the article. Sora says, in a sad and confused sort of tone, that they were never anything more than friends (they were never friends to begin with, but you get my point) after going through the vast majority of the castle having his memory altered to think that he was trying to save his childhood friend. Since Namine had used her powers to put her memory in place of Kairi's, this would indicate that he had feelings toward Kairi as being more than just a friend. Considering that, it could be the biggest piece of evidence towards their relationship purely because of the fact that Sora openly admitted his feelings, if indirectly, towards the original girl whom he thought was his childhood friend, aka Kairi. Keyblader 01:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Voice
In my opinion, no. The english voice is included because this is an english wikia, the japanese is included because the Kingdom Hearts series is originally from Japan. If the german voice is added, then the french and spanish voices would want to be added and that will make it look sloppy. Sorry. xNaminéx

358/2 days
Can i see some proof? I really want to know if he's in or not.

Proof as in Images or video. --Zack fair 007 03:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEDZH1qy6oc

on that note we should do a limit break section on the other 358 playables(Sora=ragnorak) so that means we need the limits for Riku (seems to be dark aura) mickey (don't know) donald (don't know) and goofy (don't know)

here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bgQ7coU2Og

Hey, I beat 358/2 Days but I don't see any item called Return of the king or Soul of Sora in the Moogle Shop. So do you have to beat it on a certain difficulty? If so then could someone add it to the 358/2 Days section of the article? Thanks.

in order for mickey you need to unlock every mission.for sora you need to get every item, complete every objective and complete every mission absolutely perfectly (not exactly but thats the best way i can explain it)
 * sora's limit break is "ragnarok". Glorious  CHAOS!  03:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Azul said i could change the picture so I have ^^

What does that mean??
At the end of the kingdom hearts II summary or whatever for sora, it says that "Sora saw that Kairi drew the other half of a paopu fruit. He smiles, mimicking Kairi's actions a year ago." What does it mean by "mimicking Kairi's actions from a year ago. Does it mean the way he walked in the cave was the same as kairi a year ago??or did kairi do something?? (i think i just figured it out but im not sure....) User:Ninabean822
 * Watch the endings of both games, and it will make more sense. Xeno the Hedgehog 05:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

o..now i get it. thnx^^-ninabean

Sora's hair color
Sora's hair color changed when he turned 15, some people say it was because Roxas was born. Is tht true? User:Ninabean822

Not really addressed in the series, but I suppose it's possible. Of cousre, it's also possible his hair just lightened naturally.-- Lapis of the Night  15:52, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that in game after Sora returns to human form his hair lightens slightly. --Evnyofdeath 05:59, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

A separate Sora page
Does anyone think we should create a page for Virtual Sora? Because technically, he isn't really Sora, but just a replica made of data to solve a puzzle.

Just a suggestion. I know it will cause controversy, but still.

User:Charmed-Jay (2009-August-13)

That was precisely why I asked first. I knew what would befall that page if it were created.

User:Charmed-Jay, 2009-August-13

Sora heartless?
It's said in KH that someone with a strong will makes a stronger heartless and a nobody. Since Sora made a unique nobody, we must assume he has a strong will, which would also mean he should have Become a stronger heartless Than a shadow when he released his heart. Why didn't he? (on an unrelated note, where would the heartlesses for the rest of the organization be?) Torrent299 16:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You get a strong Heartless if your heart is very dark. Willpower only makes the Nobody. Sora's will was strong enough to make a Nobody, but he's not dark enough to make a powerful Heartless; he's barely dark enough to make a Shadow.
 * Also, apparently his will isn't that strong, since he was rapidly losing his memories and only regained those and human form because of Kairi.—Urutapu 18:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The memories were going to become part of Roxas. Would have to if Kairi hadn't restored Sora.

Canonical Strength
Playing through 358/2 Days made me question this, and most of the amazing accomplishments we make through the games. In Olympus coliseum, during a recon mission, Sora is listed as winning the Pegasus cup, but Hercules is instead listed as winning the Hercules cup. This means that in canon, Sora's beating of Hercules didnt actually happen. It calls into question whether Sora beating other stronger 'optional' enemies actually happened in Canon, such as Sephiroth

Just a thought.

76.184.142.252 03:51, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about that, too. I don't think any of the optional boss fights at Olympus Coliseum are canon, to be honest. In KHII, Sora didn't recognize Sephiroth at all, did he? Anyway, I think that Sora's fight with Sephiroth in Radiant Garden in KHII is completely canon, though.

(Wow, I failed at that post. Too high and I didn't even sign it. XD)

SavageLarxene011 14:00, November 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * Consider that Sora routinely performs acts of superhuman strength and skill, such as chopping through giant objects and slaying giant monsters that threaten the entire KH universe. I wouldn't worry too much about his power in canon; he's definitely not a slouch. Magugag 07:51, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * There could've been another Hercules Cup that Hercules won while Sora was sleeping and not another Pegasus Cup.—Urutapu 10:01, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Technically Wasn't Sephiroth only in the English version of KH1 not the japanese one?--Kool Beans 15:35, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Sephiroth was the only secrect boss in the Japanese version of KH1, in the english and FM versions, they added others. --Evnyofdeath 05:57, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Master?
Would Sora be considered a Keyblade Master? He certainly seems strong enough!

I don't intend to sound rude, but did you pay attention to what he was called throughout the games? Keyblade Master, was it not?-- 00:29, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad. Haven't played KH or KH2 in a while!

well,technically he isn't the keyblade master,look at king mickey,or sometimes riku,they can wield a keyblade and i thing the king is more of a master-Iownedsephorothatlvl5

I had always though of Keyblade Master as simply one who weilds it, because it's such a unique and speical weapon. But because BbS has a qualification exam, it seems kinda like the levels of Martial arts. Sora trained with a wooden sword since he was 4 so his fighting skills were at very decent, And with his accomplisments yea I think it's right to give him the title of Keyblade Master. Hyperwre_2.0 08:32, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

a year later??
One: Obviously Ansem wasn't killed, he was displaced to the realm of darkness; it's a plot point being revealed, not a mistake. Two: Showing Namine, Axel, Roxas, Xion, Terra, and Ven was obviously symbolic; there's no way it physically happened. Three: It's perfectly possible the letter told Sora to stick around the Islands for a year. We didn't see what the letter said, did we?—Urutapu 03:40, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone notice how he has to ask Kairi's permission to save the world?yeah he's whipped.70.144.122.234 14:03, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Secret Ending
I'm against putting bbs secret ending info in articles until a better translation for the game is out. Nomura himself said that the secret just wouldn't make sense unless you'd seen the rest of the game.After The ending's for Terra's scenario,Ven's scenario,Aqua's scenario and the Last scenario are subbed, from destiny islands onwards,sure but any earlier seems like jumping the gun.71.54.128.73 02:20, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Secret Endings
Could anyone clarify why the secret endings from the first two games made it into the Story section? They aren't canonical and certainly aren't part of the character's fictional biography.

Samoth 20:59, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

YES. THEY. ARE.

KH1 secret ending became the final boss of Days. KH2 secret ending became the last scenario for both Ven and Terra, and second to last scenario for Aqua in BBS. --Evnyofdeath 05:54, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

New Info (BBS Spoilers)
-- Then, when Ven’s heart was fractured, someone completed his heart with their own. Was this Sora’s heart?

Nomura: Yes. That was when Sora was born into the world. from KHInsiderXoaks 04:21, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kind of funny because what Nomura said made no sense. Sora was already born, he wasn't created or anything. And also, this new info is something of a hint for the future, that if Sora actually returns Ven's heart to his body, then Ven would take all of Sora's powers and then ultimately replace him as the hero. Plus, if Nomura does something like that, then we'll never see Kairi and Sora kiss, he'll probably have Ven say something like, "Hey Kairi, I was in love with you all along, you don't love Sora, you love me." I'll just pray that Sora doesn't get kicked off so easily and still gets Kairi in the end. Werehog, the guy who hates Jesse McCartney with every fiber of his being. 10:42 PM 2/18/2010 (UTC)

Allow me to explain. Before BBS began, when Master Xehanort broke Ven's heart in halves to get the X-Blade, it made an unbalance in the worlds. In order to correct the unbalance, Sora was born. Xoaks 11:29, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, wait, Sora was created by an unknown force to save the worlds? That's unbelievable! Werehog 4:14 PM 2/19/2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, Kingdom Hearts is getting really insane with the plot and what not. And I think you can safely say that the "unknown force" is Kingdom Hearts.Xoaks 02:01, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

It is kinda crazy. But, I don't know about you, but I'm getting pretty confused by all these spin-offs. Hopefully we won't have to wait long for (the long awaited) Kingdom Hearts 3. The Yoshiman 97 00:27, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's a little unfair to call BBS a "spin-off". It's the next main game in the series, considering that it was the game teased in KH2 and KH2FM.Xoaks 02:01, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it might be, but the original two both came on console (Playstation 2). Birth by Sleep was on (and is going to be) on the PSP. I'm looking for the next console Kingdom Hearts since 06. The Yoshiman 97 06:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good Luck with that. Nomura implied it will be at least two more years before 3 is out, since it won't be ready for the 10th anniversary...Xoaks 08:18, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Noooooo...

Square likes to keep fans waiting. The Yoshiman 97 20:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Superhuman strength

 * Sora does it too vs Ansem.Xoaks 02:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sora...Wielder of the X-blade?
I'm rewatching the KH Cutscenes, and I noticed that the mysterious voice (which, by the way, sounds nothing like mickey) Mentions that Sora has Italic textThe mightiest weapon of allItalic text. In BBS, The mightiest weapon, a weapon so powerful Eraqus tried to prevent its creation, is the X-blade. Sora is also stated to be Italic textThe one who will open the doorItalic text. Now, Sora transformed into a heartless, and was returned to a human form by kairi, a princess of heart, thus creating an intersection of darkness and light, further maintained by Ventus' heart residing within Sora's. Further evidence of Sora's ability is the Kingdom Key, which is referenced multiple times in the X-blade. A final note, Sora has been called a Key on more than one occasion.

Thus, it's a pretty safe bet that at some point, Sora will wield the X-Blade, and he may be the only one who can Use its power. Dragonraptyr 07:50, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I' not so sure about that Sora's mightiest weapon is the keyblade not the X-Blade, besides the X-blade needs to be created with two hearts one of light and other of darkness and he is called "the Key" because he is the key that connects everyones hearts--Xabryn 16:49, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Heart of Light: Kairi Heart of Darkness: Riku

I'm thinking Sora may temporarily turn Riku and Kairi into the X-Blade for the Final battle against the reborn Xehanort. But then, Xehanort will probably have his memories back and he would recognize the X-Blade. Mar 21:39, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ooh. Maybe in KH3, before the final battle with Xehanort, Sora could go on a journey world by world collecting items to recreate the X-Blade. (e.g. Olympus=Hercules' Sword, Moogles=UW and DC=KKD.) Then, go to RG, go to Cid and ask him to fuse them together to recreate the X-Blade to kill Xehanort for eternity. Eh, eh! --Gr8champ 21:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

For what I know Kairi and Riku never fuse besides Riku's heart is not completly dark he uses light too so your theory kinda that doesn't make sense--Xabryn 03:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Xabryn. The only way to create the X-Blade is to fuse a Heart of pure Darkness and a Heart of pure Light. Since Sora is neither he can't weild the weapon. And as stated, Riku is a balance between Light and Dark, thus he can't be a part of it. But still, it would be epic if he could. --Evnyofdeath 05:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

But you guys are forgetting something: Ventus and Vanitas are a part of Sora. Maybe the Keyblade of People's Hearts could be recreated, Sora would stab himself to release Ven and Van, and they could become the X-Blade. Keyblade474 22:38, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

And you're forgetting that Ventus destroyed Vanitas(at least for what we know) and the X-Blade with him as Vanitas said if Ventus destroyed the X-Blade would be destroying his own heart but since it was connected to Sora it survived inside Sora's heart(or something like that I'm not sure of how his heart survived) but my point is for what we know Vanitas is gone (_;)--Xabryn 00:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

A reason for Humanity?
Both Sora and Xehanort's heartless both hold (or imprison, in Xehanort's case,) the hearts of others. This migh mean that when they turned into heartless, they were able to use their own hearts as bodies, and the hearts of others to feel and to think.